Comments for Can corruption do any good? at http://independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 36 out of 20 comments http://independent.co.ug Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:16:01 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-23277 This is a must read either here or at Bugandapost.com. Follow the link above Corruption “Expecting Museveni to fight corruption is the same as expecting the pope to fight Catholicism. Just like the pope is the most dedicated practicing catholic, Yoweri Museveni and his wife are the most corrupt Ugandan alive. He started robbing Uganda was back in the mid 1980’s, working with Jim Muhweezi, Frank Katana, Nyakayiru and the late Grace Ibingira and investing in the UK, Sweden, Iceland and other places. Museveni would have arrest, prosecute and imprison himself if he wanted to start fighting corruption.” Well put bugandapost. - Kamoga Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:57:48 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-23065 A federal system of governance is the solution to Uganda's corruption. Corruption will have no chance to survive and so will be the corrupt.. - Watcher Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:24 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22995 Dear Andrew, The only way to fight corruption is to make the corrupt 's life unsafe. Former President of Gahna did it and it worked. The corrupt have money to buy everything so the only way to mange them is to show them that they cannot buy thier life once caught. Unfortunately we may have no Government if this is implemented. - Joseph Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:38:22 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22876 Andrew are we talking about the same word- Corruption corruption–noun 1. the act of corrupting or state of being corrupt. 2. moral perversion; depravity. 3. perversion of integrity. 4. corrupt or dishonest proceedings. 5. bribery. 6. debasement or alteration, as of language or a text. 7. a debased form of a word. 8. putrefactive decay; rottenness. 9. any corrupting influence or agency. Nothing in the above meaning of the word says "incentive" So what exactly are you trying to say? - Kato Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:05:40 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22830 A culture that doesn't understand and appreciate what a public good is will not last. It is one thing to succeed as an individual but it also and entirely different challenge to succeed as a group, a family, a clan, tribe, nation, or an empire. The skills and wherewithal that are needed to succeed and thrive at different levels are different. These corrupt govt officials who steal money from Africa and hope to escape to europe, where in most cases they aren't welcome either, are deluding themselves and their offsprings. Good govt is about the public good, culture (preservation) and all that. - Ocheto Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:55:52 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22825 Much has been said some wrong but much of it right. As a writter who puts a fish with a rotten head is all rotten. I fail to see KCC as a failure other that M7 and his staff. In our country one is smart if one can beat the system, and one is smart if one has a huge pocket, the quality of the words and teachings one comes with are never respected considered coherent. In western world when you beat the system you are considered silly or which other words one can find fitting. For as long as we need some thing done here we need to eradicate the current culture to a more construtive culture. I would like to salute OJA who wrote "When the head of fish is rotten the whole body has nothing to do except succumb to decay and petrification. " This is M7. - Kamoga Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:04:43 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22823 It is utterly dumb, unintelligent to settle. Aim high, dream big, think big so that even if you don't attain your ultimate goal you would have gotten far along. If you want to score a ninety aim for 100 %. Aiming at 90 when you want score 90 will in all likelihood result in you ending up at a figure much less, like 80 or worse. So, hell yeah, insist on a good a govt that is accountable to the people, who should never accept to shortchange themselves. They do so at their own folly. Those who don't stand for something are doomed to fall anything. - Ocheto Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:38:56 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22818 As a result of corruption national assets such as hospitals have become so run down to the point whereby the corrupt elite will not use them. Instead they will fly abroad when needing minor medical attention at the expense and pleasure of the tax payer. They will send their children to study abroad because they cant be bothered to invest in education in Uganda. - Corrupt Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:11:04 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22817 The worst cases of corruption are often by public officials who are already highly paid and filthy rich in some cases so to suggest that they do it because their children go hungry is a non-starter. The do it for other reasons, extreme greed and selfishness being among them.If most Ugandans where benefiting from corruption then perhaps we could conclude that its worthwhile ignoring it but the reality is that far more people lose out than gain. As a result of corruption national assets such as hospitals have become so run down to the point whereby the corrupt elite will not use them. Instead they will fly abroad when needing minor medical attention at the expense and pleasure of the tax payer. - Corrupt Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:07:50 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22811 Fighting corruption with corruption is a very crazy idea. This is the first time I hear such a thing, and I am, in fact, more scandalised by the protagonists of such a proposal including Mwenda. The best way is to get rid of the leadership and start a new. In 2001, within two weeks there were 5 presidents elected in Argentina. They never helped the situation but the people were not ready to accept nonsense and so were on the streets demonstrating everyday until when they got a leader who promised real change. From that point on till today they are better and the level of corruption and confusion has been reduced. In Uganda if we still think in a defeatist way, I am afraid, then we've accepted to bury our own country. - OJA Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:35:37 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22808 I laugh aloud at day dreamers who strongly believe in the fact that they will ever elect any Ugandan and trust him with selfless service,ultruism,devotion love, support and defend the Constitution of the Uganda, true faith and allegiance to the Ugandan people. That kind of dreaming will never do us any good but only cause us pain and heart aches and continued wastage of the precious resouces and time.What do we do then?Like Andrew Mwenda says,harness individual greed, more than try too hard trying to find a redeemer in a Ugandan in the name of a president or something,to take our country ahead. - Douglas Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:34:10 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22807 Kintu Robert has a point about reducing corruption in Uganda.Its mostly fueled by the low pay rates people get be it Public or Private.Any opportunity they get to steal therefore is taken. Also Ugandans dont feel ownership of Uganda, its said to be for those who are eating, those in power and those from certain regions of Uganda.So the rest of Ugandans are watching 'those who own the country' look after it.M7 and NRM needs make Ugandans feel Uganda belongs to them but statements like' Twa teera Emundu' when you were sleeping do not help. - Jude Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:33:07 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22805 The British say, if you can't beat them, join them. The only way forward for Uganda's public service delivery lays in the hand of public servants. If their corrupt and that there's nothing we can do about it. Then its better we bring these corrupt Lazy officials on board. If telling them to work hard with a promise of an unofficial-officiated bonus of between 8 to 10%, to the job done then our grand children will have a chance of have a more efficient user-friendly public service. This will be better than hiding our heads in the sand for 25 years now. - atenyi Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:17:30 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22804 From the comments,the participants are fully convinced no matter what ideas are suggested to combat corruption or any other evil deeds in our country,will never be delt with succesfully with the same mind that created and are fueling them todate.thus they they are largely convinced that there should an overhaul of the current system leading us. However,such a thinking,for people who are really sincere to themselves and have a good knowledge of the strenght and will power of the people in power to stay there course,will agree with me that slothful atturance and mere calling for change to help heal our problems will not do any good to us. We are all limited to especially talking in Uganda.If Mwenda can come up with such a suggestion,lets try it and see what comes of it. - Douglas Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:04:02 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22785 Comparing Uganda to Rwanda is also a crime , rewarding corruption is accepting defeat to fight Corruption , Uganda must get its true sons to rule it at whatever cost , m7 ,his Rwandese and Ugandan Yudaz , have ruined Uganda for 30 yrs , Dont tell me NRM even after 10 years m7 has nothing to show to ugandans exccept traffic Jam , which is an indication of underdevelopment , The Dicator's ambitions NOLONGER much aspirations of ordinally ugandans , he must be retired or destroyed to save Uganda from total destruction , Happy NewYear True Ugandans and the People of the world who strive to make a better world we live in - Major Adam Kifaliso Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:52:00 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22781 Your 10% incentive is actually a tax, ignoring the tax effect, how do u chose who benefits from this incentive. Everyone will lobby for their relative to get a job with the departments that get the biggest chunk of the incentive. Every govtment department will have an incentive to promote the big budget programs, regardless of the benefits to the tax payer. imagine works had to choose between reparing katonga bridge with a cost of one million dollars or repairing a small feeder road but at cost of 100m dollars. guess which project would get approval. - mukwaya Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:28:57 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22710 I recently inquired about salaries in Rwanda and I found that Civil servants like teachers are paid less. To be precise like a primary teacher in Rwanda gets about 50,000-80,000 Rwandese francs and the exchange rate is just a factor of 3. And the cost of living is higher! in a way it is a coutry where a sense of patriotism has been built because of the clear will against corruption. I will not accept the 'goodness of corruption, that is a short term aspect of the apparent gains. - Jasper Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:38:00 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22707 Andrew, it is common knowledge that no working Ugandan can survive on the monthly salary alone, so how do people make ends meet? CORRUPTION, THEFT and BRIBERY !!!!!. I do suggest that government and private employers start paying their employees a living wage then we shall all have a genuine reason to punish those who are mismanaging things. With the current situation it is impossible to stamp out corruption because everyone benefits, it is not only the NRM cadres. Museveni is not keen on fighting corruption because it keeps both his friends and foes at bay as long as they are eating. Please pay the working people a living wage, if there is enough money to still, then it should be enough to pay a sensible salary to the workers. - Robert Kintu Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:45:25 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22687 I understand your advancing of an idea on how to tackle, differently, that problem but rewarding bad practice would compound the problem because it will just get bigger. The solution? Remember the LC guy who was made to eat dust, literally? The people had the power to ask for accountability and when it was not forthcoming, they acted in a rather effective way. More effective than the, guess what?, corrupt legal system.....You can't make this stuff up!! - Rob Kay Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:15:01 +0100 http://independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2298-can-corruption-do-any-good#comment-22686 Kapipo, you vindicate Andrew by reporting the Rwandese generals' wealth. At least you see results in Rwanda while they allegedly pilfer the riches. Andrew, am glad you concede that your argument has many weaknesses. It does - if for any one reason, it's the acceptance of corruption as being an intractable problem. So we should just give in to other "problems" like life presidency" etc? I don't think so. - Rob Kay Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:13:52 +0100